I was in HR at the same place for a long time. They were very personal moments for you but that recruiter has seen so many other people since then, someone most likely has trumped you in the bad-interview category! To verify the past employment history of your job applicants, make a detailed list of the items you expect to uncover. Oh please send this to AAM as a separate question. I found out today that I have been put on a “never ever ever hire this person” list. At another organization ( we are all very close in the world of non-profits and move around a lot) my friend told me they wanted to hire me, but really made a commitment to building a more diverse workplace. They are just building up and maintaining the sheer brass to keep moving forward. There is nothing wrong with an employer maintaining a Do Not Hire list for their company. Make time for introductions, which can take longer depending on how many people are conducting the interview. I actually found out that there were other interviews where employers really liked me, and WANTED to hire me, but went with somebody else for some odd reasons I also could not control, like one girl was getting married and her husband was moving to the area anyway, so they went with her. A 30-minute discussion is also a decent amount of time, but one U.S. News article found that going under 30 minutes could be a bad sign that the candidate is unfit for the position. Hiring is a little different than dating though. The biggest shock of all is how easy an Employee can do this!!!!!!!!!!! If someone is sacked, or just walks away from the job (had this happen with someone once) then you want it recorded somewhere that they should not be re-hired. A bad interview could happen to anyone, but add to it being totally smashed in public.. and that person definitely can seem like a bad hiring risk. I wouldn’t worry about it at all. We require all TTH employees to work 90 days before making a permanent hire. I quickly got a job with another organization and it worked out well for me. I was out ill with pneumonia.I had called in everyday i was out but mistakenly called my organizations office and not the attendance line. But I do send a resume to these "older" postings if there is a deadline date that has not arrived yet. It can come off as you’ll take anything and are not interested in a specific position/area. Hi There But it seems like there’s no way to ask if you’re blacklisted without undermining yourself. I’m not sure if that’s what did it. You might be on a forever do not hire list or maybe they have one recruiter and you can’t get past them or maybe you need to develop more of a track record in your career before you’ll be considered again. https://captainawkward.com/2011/01/21/reader-question-7-thanks-for-trying-to-build-bridges-for-me-where-you-work-i-think-i-will-set-them-on-fire/. Know your rights. It’s been well over a year since then. It’s become a mini-meme around here. About a year ago, I decided to apply for a sales position with a local software company. I applied for one more position and was told to get more work experience and then apply again in the future. In a document explaining the ACFE, the group states, "ACFE does not endorse, guarantee, or warrant the work the work or opinions of any individual members. I might be so far off, but I can totally see it going down this way. Silly enough, I ignored my initial thoughts as he came very highly recommended. My first thought when I read the story was that it went like this from the recruiter’s point of view: she interviews the OP and thinks she is inexperienced for the job, but might be a good fit after few years, so she encourages her to apply in the future. Tips to Help Your Cookies Last Longer. Short Answer: “Not Eligible for Rehire” status can happen for many different reasons and, in some cases, may last indefinitely. How long does a full menstrual cycle last? It typically lasts between 21 and 35 days. Your information here is wrong. Is there anything that I can do to fix this? Hmm however long they want but heres an idea call and act like an employer that is checking resumes or have a friend do it.They may not be hiring.Ask questions to confirm the dates of employment job title and if they would hire again.They may volunteer the information that they dont hold records for x amount of years or it may be filed away in storage. Here is an example: Lets pretend that you are posing as company ABC and you are contacting your previous manager from company XYZ to get some information about their thoughts about you. posted by Susan PG at 10:47 PM on August 16, 2010 I received a layoff only after completing my job assignments, I did not quit. I also met the guy that I eventually married. Do you think this is why? It wasn’t a big deal. Next time, you could have your friend put your resume directly into the hand of the hiring manager (presumably not the same one you bombed with) and circumvent that recruiter altogether. I have been a “contingent worker” for 7 years. Getting to that level means to me that the lw doesn’t need the company to validate them. The answer will usually vary based on the type of interview, as a phone interview could last only 15 minutes, while an in-deptg committee interview could last more than an hour. My big corp has a resume database. Long story short dont get caught up in terminology, it just mean they're currently processing applications there is no particular order that things go in. What Does Employment Verification Show? Privacy Policy and Affiliate Disclosures, applying for the same job as a friend, interview outfits in sweltering weather, and more. If one of your previous employees did a great job for you then by all means speak highly of them. (Feel free to sigh with relief.) They are the largest software company in the area. she’s like a puppy!” I envision that LW now spending inordinate amounts of time and energy trying to patch up all the damage from staying friends with that person. It would be “What did I post during those months when the recruiter was on my friend list that she might have found objectionable? I’ve found dozens of websites online relating to a ‘Do Not Hire’ list, and how to get yourself off the list. Up until a while ago, they had a fixed price plan of $495 for 30 days for one position. We all have bad interviews. The main problem is finding that evidence that fowl play was involved. Or is the verdict final? It seems like it would be worth knowing BEFORE investing in internships, education, etc. I have a couple parts I want to comment on: I wrote back to this letter-writer and asked: “How did you end up finding out you’re on the do-not-hire list? First day on the job! See, stuff happens to most of us. I’m great!) The OP isn’t a big fish and a business like this gets a ton of applicants. I feel they did it simply just to crush you. IME most recruiters do not have time to add a bunch of candidates on Facebook and monitor them. it all depends on the district, the office and who's in charge of completing the hiring process. Hmmm, from your friend’s elaboration, I’m not convinced that you’re on a “never, ever hire” list. I was put on a do not re-hire list because I did not give two weeks notice of leaving the job. Ask your friends what’s up. My first job was a dream job which turned out to be a nightmare. It just means this guy talked to you and doesn’t think you’re the right person. A man or woman may not be the best fit for a position — but in short order, another one may open up. Long story short, they’re wrapping up their first deal and preparing to ink a second. For people I don’t want to accept I leave them in request purgatory. You found out that you were on a do NOT hire list and you have witnesses. I would love to hear her response to this. how should I handle joking around during mental health discussions with my team? * Yes, it does mean that you will have to see your friends take the elevator up to a company that hasn’t hired you. I might not have met him any other way. Are you sure one of your friends isn’t burying you there? Exactly. I’m sure she was not impressed. I have a story and I hope it helps in even a small way. But when you’re hiring someone, you’re deciding to pay someone to come in and do a job that needs doing, and if that job requires a niche skill set, maybe you need to think twice before turning down a talented individual just because you don’t get a great vibe, or because they were kind of a jerk two years ago. I’ve had so many weird slap-stick moments that I just have to roll with it at this point. When I get worried about something that I have done or should have done, I start reading the news. Don’t allow for companies or people to bully you. Could that land you on a company's no-hire list or "blacklist"? I have no idea what happened to the DOL lady, but I landed in an okay spot. In most cases, I’d be fine with having the feedback passed along if the person wanted to, but if I didn’t want them, I’d specifically note that. I get it but mostly because I’m a big dumbass when I get drunk. In the future, just stick recruiters on a restricted friend list. If a candidate does these things in an interview, don't hire her. Hello, I too have recently found out that I was placed on a do not hire list labeled "Quitters" Do not hire. I had no idea what she was talking about; she had been obsessing over it because she didn’t have enough information on her end. She said upthread she did feel weird about saying no. So even a “forever” no just might turn out to be a yes after enough time passes. An anonymous message board cannot help you with this. Yes, I’m sure. My Insurance Company as well as My Insurance Broker have personally advised me that this HAPPENS ALL THE TIME and is quite normal????????? How long does a copyright last? :p :). This. I had to leave a company for my own sanity after I got a new boss who bullied me and other subordinates. Not a reflection on their character or anything. Is their a Do Not Hire List in the Florida Panhandle? Secondly, this is just part of the deal that companies agree to when they rent space in a building. Find out how long you can stay. A few times former co-workers reached out and asked my about some of these folks and while they factored my recollections into their decision, it wasn’t the only thing they considered. Why do companies not provide potential employees with feedback when they don’t get employed? (Whereas if I don’t know you super well but you’re witty or have lots of drama, that’s just good amusement value!). I started my own small business, I also work for a great local company, and I have started going back to school for computer science. In fact, it could be awesome if you see them in the elevator, because they’re going to see you interacting like a completely normal person with your friends, and eventually they might say “she seems nice, and this note from the hiring manager who left two years ago seems kind of unnecessary, let’s give her an interview.”. To me, Occam’s Razor says “added in a moment of friendliness at a festival, removed because she was trimming down her list and really didn’t know them personally anyway.”. Let it go, and don’t worry about this company’s supposed opinion of you. People who set out to harm others usually only end up harming themselves. For me, it’s never been an actual list of names — it’s notes that go with the person’s previous application, so that if they apply again in the future, I’ll look at our past notes on them, which will make it clear that they’re not a candidate for us. I just got out of a big meeting, and an employee from another agency stopped me to apologize for not responding to an email I sent her days ago. Unless you did crap in a potted plant or something else egregious, I bet the HR guy doesn’t think too much about it. Actually, it’s not the festival and the drinking that I would be worried about. That could be anything from “lied about X and Y — would not hire” to “rude to me, pompous to ED, not a fit.”. It’s all in my mind.). FYI for newer readers: “pooped in a potted plant” was submitted as one of the more extreme examples of an interview gone bad. The other stuff might get you rejected, but they’re not getting you put on a do-not-hire list. It starts with determining who would be a good candidate for the job. I wasn’t hired because I was black, Asian, Indian, etc.. but you MUST have evidence to your claim which I did! My friend was told it was because I had been deemed a bad fit for the company. – If you’re focused on this company, start thinking about alternatives. I doubt that has any weight in your potential future with this company. They don’t expect you to feel lucky you work there. I realize that I failed miserably but I also would like a second chance to prove what I’m made of. Team Building 10 Red Flags Not to Hire That Promising Candidate Forget that great resume. Then she meets her in a tipsy state and adds her on FB to learn whether this is a random happening or something to be concerned about in a potential employee. It was stopped it before it was sent to the technical manager. However, it would be unlawful for your employer to mark you and ineligible for rehire because of a protected characteristic (e.g., your race, religion, national origin, etc.) No company or job is “perfect” and certainly not “perfect” for everyone. Of course, I could be way off the mark, but maybe the OP should consider what actually happened when they met and how she comes across in social media. This date is the deadline for applicants to turn in the job application and other required materials as outlined in the job posting.The closing date is a milestone in the hiring process because all events before it builds up to it, and all events that follow are predicated on it passing. Last year, it was changed to a pay-per-click model. My first job was at a well-known vacation area. (And hey, that recruiter might be gone by then too.). I do actually have other normal interests, maybe too many, but my brain always goes blank. It’s just not likely to help you as much as it seems in the moment. Not really. There’s no good reason to connect with a recruiter on Facebook. I had to explain that to them. First day on the job! But if the candidate seemed appropriately qualified, I would at least speak to her personally as a show of faith in the judgment of my staff, unless I were already drowning in referrals. Argh, this was not meant to be a reply to JMegan’s comment. To make matters worse, a few weeks later, I ran into the recruiter when I was out at a festival and a few drinks in. When setting up an internship program, many employers wonder: How long do internships last?Like most issues in the internship arena, there is more than one answer. I was told before I went on leave that I could not remain in my positon because I could not do the entire scope of the job. Each time, every time. Do you think that’s a factor as well– kind of a “wrong fit” nail in the coffin? Think about how many companies are out there. I worked in a place where a weird memo went around – complaining that rejected candidates for one position have been called in for other slots — and — one was hired. Frankly, even if the LW is getting judged for attending a festival and– gasp!– legally drinking, I would take it as a sign that this is not a company any sensible person would want to work for, as they clearly don’t understand the concept of work/life balance, or legally recreating on one’s own time. There is more to hiring someone than mere technical competence, especially in a small town, representing the company comes more into play then. Mary Sue * July 13, 2010 at 8:39 pm. This makes me giggle, what a way to introduce yourself! How even are blacklists generated and tracked, anyway? But that could have happened anyway! Or the recruiter got told by her boss no friending job applicants. An employer called looking for Jane. First off know your RIGHTS!! When you go to interview for a position, you will likely want to know how long the process will last. And it’s not illegal to give a negative reference as long as it’s truthful. And no I am not misstating any law. Yes, I unfriended a cousin during the Charter of Values debate going on in Quebec because I just could not stomach his POV anymore…and his POV wasn’t pretty. It’s only been a year, after all; it’s pretty normal that if you interviewed badly a year ago, he’s still thinking of you as not the right match for them. So while it sucked it gave me a huge perspective on thinking of jobs as dream jobs. Skips are available in a wide range of sizes with the most common options being four-yard, six-yard, eight-yard and twelve-yard skips. I think you’re taking this way too personally. I have a 4.0 GPA. People relate to this stuff. It’s very unlikely you’d be blacklisted for any of those things other than an especially bad interview. Why does it matter what a background check shows? Feeling confident and wanting external validation aren’t mutually exclusive. People OFTEN think their interview went way worse than it did. I also had forgotten to eat that day and was pretty drunk. I have only recently found out I’m the 4th Employer where my X-Employee ‘accidentally’ hurt himself on the job. And if it was from a friend who worked there, do they have access to info about why?”, My application was blocked by the same HR guy/recruiter who encouraged me to apply in a few years. The term of copyright for a particular work depends on several factors, including whether it has been published, and, if so, the date of first publication. There’s going to be loads of interviews where you think you did fantastic and you still don’t get the job, because it was down to you and someone just as good as you, and they ended up like, flipping a coin or something dumb. You do know that you were not the worst interview they had, right? I’m not sure it’s helpful to the OP to be pretending that the festival incident didn’t matter. It doesn't have to notify you of its decision, and its decision may remain in place permanently. The purpose for my message is to create awareness and do your homework folks! It just isn’t normal for the company. Find the best ones near you. Updated: 12/4/2018. Now, if I’m misunderstanding and your friend was specifically told that you’re on a do-not-hire-ever list, that’s different. Yes, that was my thought too. ; As I wrote in the post, you probably can’t right now. A competitor or major client might decide to move in. But I also know of cases when the same was done out of fear of the friend turning into competition or because someone actually did not like the person. That’s a pretty terrible way to work and anyone would be well shot of it. The woman who took my app recognized my father as someone who turned down her advances DECADES earlier. Years ago, I applied for my “dream job” at my “dream company”. I do the same. I was asked in an interview about what I was passionate about. Typical Internship Seasons. I would have to move from another state and they thought that would be a hassle. I tend to be a rather reserved person both in work and in my private life but was very genuine at this interview. Now, the conversation centers around your starting salary (keep Monster’s salary negotiation tips in mind) and your start date. If there are only a few employers in your field in your region, and you keep working toward somedays getting in with that company (in our area, the hosiptal and college are the huge non-retail employers)? 0 0. Anyway, above is how not to handle a friend trying to help you get a job at their company. Maybe she just thought, eh, why did I add all these people I don’t really know? I’d highly suggest consulting with an attorney as laws may vary from state to state. Employers do know that interviews aren’t a perfect science and good candidates have off days — sometimes really off days — but ultimately they’ve just got to make the best judgments they can with the information they have. The norms around this stuff are still being formed. THEY should be fired. If I’m not seeing much value from their posts or if they don’t post a lot or I’m no longer feeling close to them I usually delete them. Here’s a dirty little secret: Every rental car company maintains a list of blackballed customers. And you wouldn’t want to get a job at most of them. A company deciding that you’re not the right match for them doesn’t mean “we don’t want her in the building.” Those things are totally unrelated! I wouldn’t think about the building sharing at all. Is it like those bulletin boards that some supermarkets keep up front with pictures and descriptions of customers who’ve been known to write bad checks? If there are things that I need to work on then I want to know about them. Contact HR and ask if the do not rehire list is permanent, if it's for a specific time period, or if there are any other considerations for you. That’s it. I was devastated. Cookie dough: These batters should be prepped and used immediately. I have been a “contingent worker” for 7 years. Debra Auerbach, AOL Jobs Contributor. There’s going to be interviews for what sound like dream jobs that go great but you still don’t get the job and then you find out a year later from someone who works there that you really dodged a bullet. There’s a 100% chance they’ll be thinking about whatever meeting they’re coming from/going to or getting ripped into by the boss or what they’re going to eat for lunch or if the IT guy finally fixed their computer. Lets just say I know what I am talking about because I have successfully done this. This place had a “one strike and you’re out forever” policy – which, IMHO , was crazy. I assumed the recruiter added her on Facebook so she could look for questionable posts, then unfriended her. This was my first thought as well particularly as it happened after running into the recruiter at the music festival. Just try to do your best during an interview and don’t badmouth the company if it doesn’t work out and things could change for you in the future. Most reference checks are bullshit for exactly these types of reasons. Every now and then, I bounce back to Captain Awkward. Find the best ones near you. It sounds like the recruiter just remembers your interview, didn’t consider you a strong candidate at the time, and so doesn’t think it makes sense to send you to a hiring manager now. For example, LinkedIn is one of the hottest places to look for a job at the moment. You are right. You might have people you don’t like walking into the building for other companies. If I learned that an internal recruiter had disqualified someone who had the endorsement of several current employees, I’d be tempted to hire that person purely out of spite. You were by far the best one for the job.” After chatting a little more, I found out that the other two women had selected the finalist who already lived in the area. I tend to add people on social media then wait a few months. In the freezer: Delicate cookies like these do not store well in the freezer. What the “Do not Hire List” is: “Do not hire” lists are confidentially held by the HR and recruiting teams at some companies. I also have a year in my resume that does not look fantastic. I am dying of shame. Whoever did this to you sounds like an idiot and a bully. political talk at work is negatively impacting you, how to spend less time in meetings, and more, update: my new team is taunting me because I have a nut allergy, what to do when a low performer asks for a massive raise, my boss called me “disgusting” for not cleaning up my male coworkers’ mess, my ex-friend is my new boss, employer sending rides for us in the snow, and more, weekend open thread – February 20-21, 2021, my boss won’t manage a terrible employee, my coworker scream-yawns, and more, interviewers want to know how I’ve been spending my time out of work … during the pandemic, the hot sauce contest, soup-gate, and other work contests gone awry, board member brings a gun to meetings (but he’s a cop), coworker leaves early every day, and more. I nope out for a year or two, see a link, like here, get pulled back in, remember what I like so much, then remember what I don’t like, and nope back out. Why. If it does, the OP could try to get more info about it. Not the end of the world. If you think they’re arrogant, or rude, or they don’t make good decisions and hangovers might interfere with work, it’s your prerogative not to hire someone. I didn’t have a job lined up when I left and I definitely suffered the consequences of that. :P. I thought the same thing about the FB friending. Yeah, I’ve seen this. I’d assume they’d want to train people sooner so that you’re not thrown in … People do dumb stuff all the time. Plastic shopping bags will take up to 20 years to break down, while styrofoam takeaway coffee cups take 50 years, and cigarette butts take 10. This will make sure your job is on the top of the list rather than in the unseen depths of the 13th page of the job board. This was a very minor cut to his hand where he should have been back to work within a month. It seems like the smart thing to do would be to say something non-committal to the employee in order not to get quoted out of context. I’m confused why a minor cut to the hand would require 12 months off the job. Ok, how about converting trash trucks into homes… For surviving the zombie apocalypse! I want to make sure that employees as well as employers know their rights. What the “Do not Hire List” is: “Do not hire” lists are confidentially held by the HR and recruiting teams at some companies. Just as its illegal prevent someone from getting hired based on their age, race, gender, etc. As an employer, how does unemployment work? Yeah. Woo-hoo! It’s OK. Everyone does stupidly bad interviews a few times. I totally understand that it feels very personal (why wouldn’t they want me? Whenever I get that question, all I can think is “zombie apocalypse!” No, no, no. 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I eventually landed a position at another company that has resulted in many moves, promotions, etc. Sure, but it’s unlikely. Please do your research. I wouldn’t worry about it because the recruiter shouldn’t be friends candidates on facebook. If an employer blacklists you, you’re no longer on their list of consideration for any position. Sometimes, not being a “good fit” doesn’t have anything to do with you. Life is good. I strongly encourage you to move on and stop focusing on this company and what they think of you. If the recruiter is going to situations where drinking is normal and socially acceptable, seeing candidates drinking, adding them on Facebook to monitor their (legal, largely socially acceptable) activities, and using that to make blacklist decisions, then to me the conclusion would be “congrats on dodging that bullet, LW!”. I’ve had the opportunity to live in some cool places and do some exciting work that I never would have been able to experience at what I thought was my “dream company”. Applying to any individual job should show that you’re interested and if anybody at the company wants more it’s a potential red flag.